Talk:Zenith

"DPX"
Someone keeps trying to add "DPX" figures to weapon pages; to get these he seems to just be multiplying damage by rate of fire. The problem is there is no evidence the in-game weapon stat bars are directly comparable and significant evidence they are not: for example, the pistol does *not* fire four-fifths as fast as the laser rifle when fully upgraded, neither does it deal seven-tenths the damage of the rocket launcher. Using the "DPX" figure for direct comparison is nonsense. 193.35.132.52 23:19, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damage per Xylophone. Ill check the history of this page, and if its the same guy whos been doing this to all pages Ill give him a warning. I think hes unregistered. Dorgles 23:25, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pistol Primary?
I threw in the note about the pistol being a good primary weapon for a lethal stealth run, but someone reverted the change with the line 'can never be a primary, that's why it's a sidearm' (or to that effect) for the edit reason. This bothers me just a touch, since that recommendation was based on my own experiences with the weapon--it's seriously what I use the most and it's darn good at the role of stealthy and reliable headshots. Could I get some backup on this? --74.182.83.96 05:24, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed. If I wasn't playing pacifist, I would take the pistol as my primary gun instead of the stun gun. Irian 05:37, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * People, please stop doing nonsense undos: Just because YOU don't use it as a primary weapon, doesn't mean that it can't be used as one. As headshots with it can be very lethal (especially upgraded), ammo is available everywhere, a silencer can be attached, etc. the Pistol can be a great choice for someone who wants to play sneaky silent killer. Irian 09:26, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that you can upgrade it early on to negate armor. Funildodeus 18:06, September 7, 2011 (UTC), 1305, September 7, 2011
 * For free, since the AP upgrade is found in Jensen's apartment. It's rather like the plasma cutter in Dead Space--it's surprisingly good and available from the start, and stays useful for the whole length of the game --74.182.83.96 02:32, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, honestly, I haven't found a situation outside of boss fights where the pistol hasn't served me well. The thing is just scary versatile if you don't suck at taking head shots Funildodeus 04:38, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * A pistol is not a primary weapon by definition. That is why a pistol is called a sidearm. Please don't mangle weapon terminology based on how you use the weapon in the game. It can be the main weapon you use, but primary weapon is a term that actually means something in real life. 2.24.36.109 08:25, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * If your "sidearm" is the ONLY weapon you carry, it has to be your primary weapon, because you don't have any other. Sidearm doesn't exclude it's use as a primary weapon, as a "primary weapon" can only be defined for a person or group of persons: A primary weapon may be defined for a specific army or police unit, but that doesn't mean that this weapon is a primary weapon for everyone. It is used as one by this specific unit, not more. So if you always only have one weapon, this weapon automatically becomes your primary weapon. If you have only got a knife, it doesn't make sense calling it your "backup weapon". Irian 08:37, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, a sidearm is always a sidearm. If it's your only weapon, that just means you don't have a primary weapon. I'm not opposed to saying it can be the player's main weapon, but let's use that term rather than one that isn't strictly correct. 2.24.36.109 08:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all: I never discussed the term "sidearm", which is really quite common and pretty well defined. I discussed the term "primary weapon" and I still think that your (always) only weapon automatically becomes your primary weapon, but that isn't the important point. For me, it's only important that the article makes clear that the pistol can be used as your only weapon (and that, for some styles, it may even be the best weapon). I don't care if you call it "main", "only" or "primary" weapon, really, as long as you don't try to force the "a pistol is only a backup weapon" idea into the article - because that's simply not true for this game. My main reason to edit the article was to remove that "backup only" point. Irian 10:49, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Definition of "primary" according to Websters: "of first rank, importance, or value." That sure sounds like me using the pistol in the way I use it. Funildodeus 23:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)