User talk:General Carter/Archive 1

Done
Haha you are lucky, I just check the wiki before I go sleep (and some news about Fallout). I upload it right now =). Itachou [~talk~] 21:29, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here, hope you enjoy it ;): . Otherwise I really go after the check but thanks to be here =). Good night and see you tomorrow! Itachou [~talk~] 21:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

No problem my friend, just your edit yesterday sounds good so I don't worry, and come when you want, haha I'm not a dictator =). Itachou [~talk~] 09:58, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha you are motivated, it's pretty good ;)! Well I create an urgent page needed - Navigation scheme for the Deus Ex Wiki and I come to you =), shortly! Itachou [~talk~] 10:19, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still here my friend? Sorry for the wait but I have a nice work needed to done for you =). Can you check the format of all Deus Ex characters? Remove for exemple:
 * "History" and put in this place "Background".
 * "Trivia" and put in this place "Behind the scenes".

Here the category for have all pages -> write "Category:Deus Ex characters" in the search bar.

Without read anything (since it's the page contains a lot of spoils so don't read it ^^), take this as an exemple, it's perfect and have all typical categories: Bob Page.

Good luck my friend and thanks for all! Itachou [~talk~] 10:46, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah sorry about that, I hope I will not too spoil you. I go eat so as we say in France - bon courage (good courage - more used than good luck in my country) =). Itachou [~talk~] 10:57, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

No no I have it. Sorry in fact I'm in a useless debate with someone (a kind of Lugiatm, a "new" guy in the wiki that never give up even if he has wrong) that destroy my time.

Thanks for your help, you save me and my time ;). Yes if you want you can do the same for Deus Ex: Invisible War characters: "Category:Deus Ex: Invisible War characters", Bob Page remains a good exemple! Good luck my friend, and if you want admin right, I can give them to you now =). Itachou [~talk~] 12:43, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Keep it up ;)
Haha a test? No no in fact =). Ncie the task list here, I will add some things from time to time, thanks for you dedication here. The Deus Ex Wiki have a great potential and can really become a great Wiki, the universe is as broad and interesting as Fallout.

Yes it's exactly that, another "I'm right and you're wrong", another eating time, and haha in the debate, he link the policies against me, strange right?

Sorry for the time but if you want, you can see my debate with a kind of Lugiatm here like I saw you have also saw probably: Talk:Augmentations (DX2).


 * Yes you are right, some jumbled information for background section, need some reformatting, but not urgent.
 * I'm not for trivia section, Behind the scenes already includes trivia, even the real trivia, but some information may be need to be remove.
 * Ho yes, infobox are well, pretty bad and need some works. I wanted to ask Porter for that but I don't know if he would agree, all infobox on The Vault are made ​​by him.

Haha Baldur's Gate? Of course, it is in my top 4 of my favorite games of all time with Fallout 1, Deus Ex 1 and Planescape Torment. And the game have some interesting books to read in-game if you want ;). If you need some information, ask =).

Yes sounds good really good, you have done a lot of works here since well, not even one day =). I give you the admin right in a moment. Itachou [~talk~] 13:24, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well after this debate, it's time to return to my home ;). I think play a little Deus Ex: Human Revolution, so I'll be there tonight. I will let some stuff if you want in the task list =). Ho also, congratulation, you are now an admin! Itachou [~talk~] 13:42, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Before I go just a note about the kind of Lugiatm ->User:2.24.36.214.

It's very strange, he made ​​many edits despite he still an anon, I never saw that, usually a person who make many edits have an account and an anon in fact just make one or two within a long period of time, not almost every minutes. You know The Vault also, have you ever seen that there? No right?

He is very competent with wiki tools despite it is anon, and he know the template that we use. In fact, it is almost as good as us when it is just an anon, I never see that, except with a new username of Lugiatm or a similar user with the same intention.

He start picking a fight with me, an admin, like Lugiatm on The Vault, and use the policies and guidelines against me, using the most compromising sense for reaching his goal. What do you think? Very strange right?

Anyway, check his action if you can, the Wiki already has enough work and I don't have time to play. Well I go, see you later my friend ;), I give you some task this evening, you have done some works for now, I don't want to kill you! Itachou [~talk~] 14:21, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well in fact it's quieter with him now, I think we're more or less come to a compromise and it seems to be the least bad guy that I had made ​​up in my mind.


 * Haha no problem my friend, the principal is that you have managed to go home quietly, that's what matters most to me =). All right it's works, thanks! Ho also, since you are an admin now, we must have a private conversation with the other admins on something important, so if you could be tomorrow at any time I will get the message ;). Itachou [~talk~] 23:11, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Admins
Hello my friend =)!

Hehe you're really nice, it works I will try to find something from time to time. Sorry for my late reply but this the time I make to write my answer since my last edit (the shame I know) ;)!

No no in fact I don't think he is Lugiatm but yes it's very strange, his message on my talk page about that:

"I've done a lot of work on other wikis, that's how I know a lot about templates and policy. I'm currently just not logged in because I was too lazy to reset my password or hunt down whatever piece of paper it was written on, since I was only planning to make a couple of edits to fix errors in the weapon articles (mainly things like preview stuff that isn't true anymore) and add some notes on the ones I've used extensively."

Just a note but I think it's very strange to "too lazy to reset my password or hunt down whatever piece of paper it was written on" despite he create a debate with me that lasts four times longer. In another point, I don't like people never wanting to reach a concensus and wanting to prove that only them have reason and wanting to impose their opinions totally at the end (especially an anon and with not even one day of contribution). Anyway, wait and see about him (lol the 2nd time that day and I'm not an intense user of this famous sentence).

Ho also, if a user transgresses the rules but I cannot ban him because I'm personally involved in a debate with him and I don't want to see the same thing happened in The Vault (the creation of a divide between contributors and admin) that could potentially cause harm to the Deus Ex Wiki, can I count on you? The same for you of course, I'm more concern about protecting the admins from any backlash in cases like this, where user can argue there is a personal dispute between the 2 persons involved.

Good for DX and DX:IW, you really lucky to have never played there (also BG) as I think games like that will never be created, unfortunately.

For Tezzla, yes I sent a message on a staff member of Wikia that I know a little, Tae, also involve in something important here, which I have to talk with other admins.

For tactics sections, we keep them for now, Deus Ex have less combat choice than Fallout and then the number of Boss is far superior than this one so I think it fits well on Deus Ex unlike Fallout, but we will see in the future if we remove or no, but I think it is too early and that could slow traffic here.

Well I another things for you. Can you check all weapons and items of Deus Ex and if there are any similar image that are not necessary (like Dragon's Tooth Sword (DX), can choose the best to put it in the infobox and removed the other? Of course if the image it's not similar, don't remove it. If in doubt, leave me a message on my talk page my friend, and if you have any questions about anything on Deus Ex,the same =). Itachou [~talk~] 15:00, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeap, "indefinite" give them perma-ban, can be remove only by another admin =). Thanks, yes because an admin, even if a user transgresses the rules, can't not ban him (in fact it's not recommanded) if he is involved in some story with him, this will give some ammo to create a community conflict and that can create a divide between contributors and admin like I said even if it is unfair for the admin (I think you have saw what Lugiatm able to do against Tagaziel in The Vault just with a debate and not even a ban).


 * Yes, and I know a little him so I think at least it will give us an answer.


 * Noted for the task, don't worry just the simple for now, I want you still have time to explore the two games before Deus Ex: Human Revolution ;)!


 * The images at the sides? What image are you talking about? Itachou [~talk~] 17:06, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, the life is full of surprises that sometimes prevent us from doing what you want =). Well, I think it's really (sadly) impossible to ban someone completely from the Internet, since it belongs to no one in doing so and no one has a particular control.

I go eat, I will send you the background image later. See you later my friend ;). Itachou [~talk~] 18:43, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Chat
I'm on the chat ;). Itachou [~talk~] 23:29, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Walkthroughs
Non-lethal means what it means. —Shidou T/C 06:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Hello my friend ;)

Yes in fact, copyrights is the more important things (legal protection).

Here the format is that: put the section ==Licensing== before add the template in the page of the file below:

For categories, well it's like The Vault: Deus Ex weapon images, Deus Ex character images etc. Just take a look of the navigation scheme and adapt them for image =). Good luck my friend and thanks again! Itachou [~talk~] 13:39, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * In fact sorry but it will be a, well, a redundant work so if you don't want to do that no problem ;). Anyway, you have that but don't bother too ok?: . I go sometimes after 20:00 (21 for me), so sorry if you want to talk with me about that. Good luck my friend! Itachou [~talk~] 17:58, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

No no it would be really useful for the Wiki actually ;), but it's one of the most boring work on a Wiki in my opinion, so if you don't want to do it until the end no problem. Itachou [~talk~] 18:52, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

A bit late for a reduction.
Because an admin called "kingclyde" escalated my block to THREE MONTHS. I bet you've never felt like the world hates you for no apparent reason.

This was none of his business to begin with!

O_O ^_^ @_@ 14:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind.

O_O 17:06, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Images
Sure, I'll add the categories.

It works like a charm. If categories could also be added on the upload page, that'd be grand too. -S- 18:08, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

rename all
yes u can rename them all pics :D

Notes and image suggestion
Hello my friend ;)!

Your suggestion about image is good, with a regulatory standard format for a policies and guidelines page it will be perfect (yeah you saw that, images are one of the nightmare of the Deus Ex Wiki), I'll take care of, thank you for this my friend!

Nice work otherwise, plenty of works since you are here, you are augmented or what haha? Yep don't worry I don't forgot the chat section, but we will be more light than the last time, I will have a hard day Monday. See you later Guardian =)! Itachou [~talk~] 14:33, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw your message to Eddo36, please don't tell him to add a large amount of image for now. Images are not something urgent, watch the number of pages and the number of image we have, almost more than double! This is not the main preoccupation of the Wiki actually, there are plenty of images that need to have the copyright (like you saw), pages to be created or needed to be corrected any manner whatsoever, it would be more useful to the Wiki that he help on this side.


 * And in my opinion, I think he has a little trouble understanding the policies and guidelines and act wisely (I had to re-put images of good quality that he had remove to put another image completely different that he could be put in the gallery). I had to correct several times his work, which took me many hours (really) to correct behind him. I had to block him for 24 hours yesterday because he had not taken into account something I had said earlier. In another point, these images are all from external sources (websites that I know or the DX:IW game guide that I have also) that can be uploaded later, with a PNG format (he upload only in JPG format which is not ideal) and respecting the rules =). Itachou [~talk~] 14:57, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ho no, he can upload images but in normal numbers, not more than 50 images (this was his usual regime), since if he made ​​a mistake, the mistake is transferred 50 times and you know it's hard to correct in these conditions in trying to trace the path of someone, in addition that can be avoided if someone looking up, savvy or read the policies and guidelines. Otherwise don't apologize, you do your work =), and I know Eddo36 is a valuable contributor and make some good edits, but also make a lot of mistake that could be avoided unfortunately. Once done, I will be even more glad to have him here (and my time will be saved =D).

No problem my friend and keep up the good works, you have become a mainstay here now ;). Itachou [~talk~] 15:33, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Yes, the copyrights are working perfectly. I wonder if there would be an option of adding category on the upload page too.

Chat
I'm on the chat but well I guess it's a bit late now, just report it for tomorrow it's works =)? Itachou [~talk~] 20:27, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Images
Hello! Thanks for the Info & kind words. I actually planned on using the dropdown option with my latest image, but apparently I overlooked something and it didnt work, so I had to do it manually as soon as I noticed. But it should be alright now. Bobmeier 21:14, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi! It seems like im unable to add the image licenses with the dropdown menu. I tried using it with the last two images I uploaded and it didnt work for me, I didnt see the license displayed on the first image, so I added it manually and with the second upload (File:Officer Nicholas.png) I took a screenshot of my settings when uploading (http://i53.tinypic.com/9ivimg.jpg)... do you know what Im doing wrong? Thank you in advance! Bobmeier 19:41, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Surprise
Hello my friend ;)

Hehe "Talk with Itachou, 8:00pm, Sunday.", you have everything planned even that =). Your task page is quite nice, it's you that are created maintenance infobox? They are pretty good!

In fact, I have something on my mind but this can spoil you a lot so I can't, but copyrights yes ;). In fact, I created the image policy based on your text, tell me what you think: Image policy.

Ho also, the description of Eddo36 and the official guide are actually "all right reserved" (I don't pay attention). The description need to be merged with articles but you can't do that, spoil a lot like I said so please don't do that, but it's just a note for you, so you know. Itachou [~talk~] 14:02, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Organization, naming...
I find the main "DE:HR" category page a bit confusing. There are 12 pages in this category, and 5 subcategories. For the subcategories, the layout isn't great for them and makes them harder to read than the 12 pages in this category. Also, for the subcategories, the DE:HR prefix makes all the titles so long. Also, I believe the capitalization of titles would be better "Characters", "Main Quests", etc. Lastly, there are many major pages such as Locations, Weapons, etc. that are not displayed on this category page. This category page is the place many people will come to first if they click the "DE:HR" link at the top of page. This should be the most organized page to make it easy for people to find what they want. I would help improve this page but I don't know how to do that. Game Archivist 20:19, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

How do you change the name of a page? For instance, capitalization for titles I believe should be done, also, for example, http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Belltower_dockyard - in-game it's Dock, not Dockyard. How do you change the name of this page? Game Archivist 20:46, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hi - yes, I did receive your message - thanks for the help! I don't think I changed any page names. But I think most of the pages I was wondering about are "Category" pages, and "Rename" doesn't appear in their drop-down lists. But that's OK, because Itachou also wrote on my Talk and pointed me to the policies, and I see that you do capitalization a certain way around here. I don't really agree with the capitalization for titles, but that's how it is ;) Game Archivist 22:10, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

I only get History for Category pages, so it's probably an admin functionality? Game Archivist 22:19, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

"and I will do it tomorrow for you" - I wouldn't worry about it quite yet I guess, since there is this page over here that Itachou referrred me to - http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:DX_suffix - so there is some discussion there that I think is pertinent to how things are getting named, and I think any changes considered such as the categorization points I was thinking of should also reflect the outcome of that discussion. Game Archivist 15:45, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to add categories to my images! I will make sure to do that going forward, and I will try to add category to all the ones I already added. Also, there is a bad category "Deus EX: Human Revolution images" with "EX" instead of "Ex". It had just one image in it - I removed the image from that category and put it into the proper category. Maybe you can delete this category so that no images get put into it accidentally. Game Archivist 17:37, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, can you please delete these two for me? I was having trouble with File History / Revisions, so I just uploaded new ones, and these two are not used anywhere and are now duplicates: http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/File:Conventioncenter.png and http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/File:Scene_zeke.png - sorry about that, thanks! Game Archivist 17:46, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I didn't know that categories were created just by typing it in, that's probably how someone made that "EX" category by accident. Yes, I will stick to those categories that exist already! A suggestion that instead of naming the category "character images" you name it "images - characters". Because then all your images sub-categories will be in a row alphabetically and also when typing it in. Right now if you type in "Deus Ex: Human Revolution images" you will think that this is the only category for images, because autofill goes alphabetically and once you type in "images" you will not see "character images" but if the category is "images - characters", "images - locations", "images - technology", etc, then you will see all of them. Besides just the visual aspect of shorter category and page names, this is another great argument for something shorter like "DX:HR" or "DXHR" instead of "Deus Ex: Human Revolution" - since there are so many categories, you sometimes have to type in a lot before you get to the autofill entries that you need. I hope that all made sense! :) Game Archivist 17:51, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

You've missed my message
Hello Guardian ;)

Yes sorry my friend, I have many messages so I did not notice. They are very good and are nice for the Wiki, blending perfectly with the ambiance, congratulation (I like the color system too)! But sadly, I think we will be the only (admins) to use them daily but it doesn't matter, we will make good use =).

Wo who wrote that? Coming from someone idolizing Fallout 3 rather than other Fallout this shows that his opinion is extremely sharp =D! Haha no seriously, he die on Very Easy? It's impossible, the game is more easy than Fallout 1 or Baldur's Gate 1!

Hahaha, actually F5 is a button for one of nano-augmentation, it's normal it doesn't work for quicksave! For quicksave it's not F5 but "+" and "/" for quickload.

I hope he doesn't play Daggerfall, Morrowind or Half Life, that could kill him. Sincerely, who is the guy who wrote that? Itachou [~talk~] 21:45, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha yes I just want to saw that! It's like spit on Beethoven, 2001: Space Odyssey or Planescape Torment. Bad taste based on false points (since quicksave exist etc. but it doesn't exist for him since he don't find it) and "it's bad because the other it's better for me" is something I have difficulty to accept. Itachou [~talk~] 21:58, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hum... definitely this type is extremely strange! Give a better note to Barbie than Deus Ex is beyond me!

Yes I played Mafia (only the first), a kind of GTA with 50's and mafia. Not a bad game (50's inspiration is always good) but I don't very like the GTA concept actually even if it can be good for Mafia for exemple or Red Dead Redemption. Itachou [~talk~] 22:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeap, that why I don't like in GTA-like actually, no deep messages and characters are too simple, but yes Mafia and Red Dead Redemption was good =). Itachou [~talk~] 23:30, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Vault
Good to hear ;). Well, for me you can become an admin but I think now, become a moderator is essential before become admin since it should be something that will ensure admin position more easily.

So yes, apply for become moderator, I will support you of course.

Ho, banalities - presentation, your major contributions, your skills, your way of being with the community, your opinion on The Vault, your love about Fallout, your future on The Vault =). Itachou [~talk~] 17:57, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course my friend, in addition many favorable vote from the beginning can consolidate and often drastically change the game =). Itachou [~talk~] 18:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Done =), the poll on your request sounds good also. Itachou [~talk~] 19:32, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Image policy
Hello Guardian =)!

Yes of course do -> Deus Ex Wiki:Image policy, and also if you can correct the "Canon" section of the Deus Ex Wiki:Policies and guidelines (I probably make some grammar mistakes too), it would be nice!

I use one of your template in the Ammunition (DX3) page ;), and I put them on my user page in the maintenance section for a quick use, they are very useful thanks again for that. Itachou [~talk~] 22:24, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

New template
Given that I've gotten my hands on all the 15 chapter images, I'd like to use them in the HR walkthrough. But being a tool, I don't know how to create templates, and that is what would be needed. Here's a quick concept of how it'd look

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5277/conceptz.jpg

Could you help me by either explaining how to make such a template or create it for me? Thanks -S- 13:42, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Practically perfect. If the image could be moved up a bit so it's even with the rest it would be good though. I've added the description from apropriate chapter to your W.I.P template as requested. -S- 18:17, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, that one is exactly how I pictured this. -S- 18:45, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw your template in your task list with the description, so I think you have taken the issue perfectly ;). Itachou [~talk~] 18:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

No problem my friend, we are here to work in a friendly ambiance and when you can and when you want =). Yes I received your message about "sixth form" but actually, this doesn't exist in France so I don't took too many attention about it, but after look at Wikipedia, I understand ;)! Anyway, good luck Guardian and see you soon! Itachou [~talk~] 19:22, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Looks solid. Anyhow, my concept was to use it on all the main quest pages once they're up, placing the template on the top, and changing the chapters accordingly to the in-game progress. ---S- 19:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've tried to create a template using this - http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Chapter1

But I've encountered two problems, most likely because I'm groping in the dark here and have no idea what I'm doing. Anyhow, the template can be inserted to a page, but only has a 'delete' option, and no dynamic editing like the infoboxes.

Second thing I've encountered that baffles me http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2163/bugos.png The placement is right, after the spoiler template and before the page itself. However, the content box persistantly squeezes itself into the chapter template.

So in a nutshell, how to fix the content box, and do I have to create separate templates for each chapter? Wouldn't be a problem for me, just asking. ---S- 21:10, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Not to bug you, but have you made any progress with fixing the content box bug? ---S- 15:59, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it's not necessary for it to be at the top. Now that I think about it, somewhere after the spoiler tag would be better too. ---S- 14:53, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Adminship
Hello my friend ;)

I saw your comment on the adminship request of -S-. Actually, it's the same as The Vault (but the final decision take to me since we don't have too many people who will vote and I think only admins), you, you are an exception since it's personaly me who told you to come =).

Anyway, this kind of thing should be the exception. Even if it is me who take the final decision like The Vault with bureaucrats, I need to know the opinion of the community and especially the admins about him before making a final decision, independent of my personal opinion. Itachou [~talk~] 19:23, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually this is the case since if the community it's not agree, I don't make him an admin. But the negative and positive votes on a small number are not really reliable, I prefer to have an opinion =). Anyway, in the future, things will be change with the expansion of the community. Itachou [~talk~] 20:49, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks =). Also, I'm not interested in religion, I feel them completely incoherent based on unscientific fact and only on the development of completely utopian imagination. However, if it remains non-violent, tolerant with other, and allows people to find peace with the world, I have no problem with that.

Anyway, Al-Qaeda has nothing to do with islamism or any religion, they just use it to create horrible terrorist attacks on innocent people, hiding behind what they called "God" to justify their actions, using lies as a primary weapon. Itachou [~talk~] 14:06, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree, but many people think they are islam and they are muslims, this creates intolerable conflicts around the world even at a lower scale. Frankly, it is one of the most shit things in the world, I will give anything to see these assholes burn in hell.


 * In another point for achievement, I'm not in favor of them for a few reason:


 * Achievements can create problems if many user make multiple edits for get a particular achievement
 * Achievements don't gives a good idea of which users are active, that some people think
 * Achievements influence user edits
 * People really competent cannot be in the top 10 and the first may be someone who makes multiple edits. People often contact the 10 first in the list, requesting an indication, which may be false if the person doesn't know really the rules of the wiki


 * I always update the admin list, active are here, inactive not and admins are reliable person whom it is certain that their answers will be consistent with the rules here, unlike person with a lot of achievement. For me a Wiki need to stay in a space where one is free to do what you will, achievements creates an imbalance and a kind of competition, even if we did not realize at first.


 * Also actually, we don't have archive template. I asked Ausir for this, I wait his reply for now =). Itachou [~talk~] 15:00, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but if this is too boring don't bother too much, Ausir would take care of that.

Also, you have forgot to correct the Deus Ex Wiki:Image policy and the canon section of the Deus Ex Wiki:Policies and guidelines =D. I would really like the perfect grammar for people take it seriously and make look like professional, but anyway, take your time as always my friend and keep up the good works ;)! Itachou [~talk~] 15:20, September 11, 2011 (UTC)