User talk:Eddo36

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DX images
Hello my friend ;)

Can you re-put your talk page? I prefer in fact and a new template for archive will come in a short time. Otherwise I already told you to not upload the low quality images of Planet Deus Ex about Deus Ex. Also, I will took care of the images of Planet Deus Ex so please do not bother about that for now =). I will delete them of Deus Ex. Itachou [~talk~] 13:09, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hum... well I saw you have uploaded all images of Planet Deus Ex but just stop uploading images for now, you give me more work to put everything in order, there is no need to put a similar image in the gallery of an existing one such as multitool (DX) that does nothing more and don't capitalize no-proper names like (concept art or cut content). So please no more images for now. Itachou [~talk~] 13:13, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

== DX:IW weapon images = =

All are cut content, they are not in-game =). I will make them a proper page tomorrow or later. Thanks to have put them in Mako page. Itachou [~talk~] 23:16, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good works ;). Yes they are similar but the pistol in DX2 is a 9mm, have not a black color and not the same barrel at the end. Itachou [~talk~] 23:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

All your images don't come from Deus Ex Planet, I saw them somewhere but not in Deus Ex Planet, where are you find them? They are pretty good and a good improvement for the Deus Ex Wiki =). Itachou [~talk~] 01:02, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Itachou [~talk~] 01:04, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wooo official game guide can have some awesome stuff. Yeap Planet Deus Ex have some pretty good concept art with some pages needed to be created, like cyberdog.

Also, don't remove old image with your new, the two should be keep in the page =). Anyway thanks, you put some rare stuff here it's nice, keep up the good works! Itachou [~talk~] 01:08, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, tomorrow I will add a gallery section for clean pages =). Itachou [~talk~] 01:09, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Don't add too many images keep some for tomorrow evening, since it's make many work for me for put properly the gallery section and I will die. Itachou [~talk~] 02:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks ;). Yes they are already a good amount, put properly all images take me one or two hour. Well I go sleep, good night and see you soon my friend, I took a look of the DX Game Guide, all images are sadly in black and white. Itachou [~talk~] 02:10, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Images
Hello my friend ;)

I almost finish so just a heads up about some things:


 * Never remove a different image of good quality. If you want to put another and new image, just create and put it in the gallery section:


 * ==Gallery==




 * Don't put the description of an items, weapons etc. in the background section, always below the infobox and above the introduction sentence.


 * In the end of the description, the standard format is that : Deus Ex: Invisible War description

Otherwise good works like I said =). The Deus Ex image with only a portrait are not necessary, they are not concept art or something and have exactly the same model in-game but in a low-quality image. Itachou [~talk~] 13:52, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes you are right, in fact all weapons, items etc. in DX:IW and DX:HR need their proper pages, but don't bother you specifically about that, I will take care of some in the future and I will ask another competent contributor that I ask to come tomorrow to clean some.


 * Anyway if you want, create a page with the same name and "(DX2)" abbreviation in the name and copy paste the same format and text of the DX weapons, items etc. and adapts it. If you are not sure of what to do, since I go sleep, I cannot fix right away, so it is best to wait but you can try one or two if you want =), but not in large quantities. Well, good night, see you soon and keep up the good works! Itachou [~talk~] 21:44, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Keep it up
Hello my friend ;)

It's good to see that you learn fast, it's nice, I knew you would be a great editor, I felt it =). I take care of the combat knife page don't worry, you have already made some good works here. Itachou [~talk~] 09:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ho also I saw, don't write Biomods but always nano-augmentation or augmentations. In fact, biomods is too general and it is one of the mistake of Deus Ex: Invisible War.


 * In another point, don't remove the category "Deus Ex consumables" etc. for put just "Deus Ex items", the items is just a general category for all items, after they need to be divised, the proper consumables category it's in part of the new navigation scheme -> Forum:Proposed new navigation scheme (I will create the page for avoid confusion) ;). Itachou [~talk~] 10:05, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ha it's pretty nice =). But don't forget that everything is marked in, for example biomods, is not necessarily fair and we are the sort and do the right things in perspective. Itachou [~talk~] 10:09, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Biomods already redirect to "Augmentations (DX2)" and I don't think consolitade a mistake by the developers is a good thing. In addition, this will keep a standard format with other games, which would be rather strange and could be misinterpreted to have three pages with two different names for the same thing =). Itachou [~talk~] 10:12, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

The page is created, you can take a look ;): Navigation scheme. Itachou [~talk~] 10:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeap not bad idea (ho yes sadly they are a lot of cut content, well, like the red greasels or cyberdog). I will add them in the navigation scheme (one for each games). Itachou [~talk~] 10:33, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well it's not necessary to clarify why we act like that, a note at the bottom is more than enough in my opinion and too much emphasis on this term can be confusing on something else. I take care of the page with keep the note and add a warning about that. Itachou [~talk~] 11:47, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Put everything in order
Hi Eddo36 =)

For an item a single image of the item itself is enough, other images are superfluous. For "put everything in order", I talk about:
 * Tell you to put copyrights on images (already write in the policies and guidelines)
 * Re-put older images that you have remove despite they are good qualities and not a similar image for many pages
 * Make a gallery section for put your images on the gallery for many pages
 * Move the descriptions of items, weapons etc. below the infobox and above the introduction sentence for many pages
 * Tell you to not put images with only a portrait of Deus Ex, since they are not concept art and have exactly the same model in-game but in a low-quality image, so I take my time for delete them but sometime later, you re-upload them so I had to tell you again to not uploaded them and remove them again.
 * Change the category "Deus Ex consumables" for put "Deus Ex items", so I have to revert your edits about that
 * Add mod images despite it's not allowed (already write in the policies and guidelines)
 * You capitalize no-proper names like concept art or cut content, so I have to decapitalize them (already write in the policies and guidelines)

This makes a lot of time where I could improve the Wiki on something else. Some are already marked in the policies and guidelines and it would have saved me from wasting time. I have a life, I work, I don't want to discover every day that something must be correct because someone didn't pay attention while looking up, savvy or read the policies and guidelines would have avoided this.

Just I tell you, I'm tired. The images are not something urgent, watch the number of pages and the number of image we have, almost more than double. This is not the main preoccupation of the Wiki actually, there are plenty of images that need to have the copyright or pages needed to be corrected any manner whatsoever, it would be more useful to the Wiki that you help on this side.

So for now please, don't add a large amount of new images and the next mistake about something will be punishable sorry. For Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War images, I'll take care let me do about that. If you could take a look at pages for grammar or add information, it would be nice.

In another point, it's better to create a new message section when you talk with someone on another subject than the first, I had trouble finding my way since you write in a section that starts long time ago than now high in my talk page. Itachou [~talk~] 23:25, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your work here but sorry, I block you for one day for a new mistake that already noted to you (move the descriptions of items, weapons etc. below the infobox and above the introduction sentence for many pages):.


 * For your suggestion, yes I think it would be good for the Wiki but without the white background that doesn't sound very good. Anyway, I will take care of that like I said and again, images are not a priority right now, put copyrights or correct pages would be more useful to the Wiki. Itachou [~talk~] 13:10, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh whoops, I'll re-read the guidelines again before making another edit. Eddo36 21:52, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hi there :). Just a quick note about the images. First of, thank you for licensing them. Second, could you please add categories, even if it is just 'Category: Game name images'. Thanks for your time. General Carter


 * Well there's quite a lot of images I uploaded in the past, and I wasn't told to catagorize them before (was only told about adding licensing). I can try if I have time. I'm not uploading any more new images here. Eddo36 21:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lucky I saw this :). Why are you not adding more? Yours are some of the best. I was just asking that you add the category about the game, as it helps. Don't worry about your images that are already here. You might want to see this too. It's not aimed at you or anyone in particular, especially as you are very good for doing the licensing, but it still needs to be seen by all. User blog:General Carter/Images on the Deus Ex Wiki: please read. Thanks again. I'll come back tomorrow to see if you'e replied. I've only just realised that you've been blocked. General Carter


 * Yeah I had to take a 24 hour time-out because I skimmed the Wiki guidelines too quick. Eddo36 22:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, well everyone is allowed to make mistakes. It also seems that Itachou doesn't want new images for a while as there are twice as many as pages. Also I have to categorise them and so on, so it makes my job easier too. I believe it's timed out now too ;)General Carter

Some things
Hello my friend ;)

Just a note, put the descriptions below the infobox and above the introduction sentence for all things (characters included).

Why you put the category "Weapons in Deus Ex" on Jordan Shea? Itachou [~talk~] 23:04, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well actually is the same time, you just to create the quote template above. Please do that, this changes nothing for you, and avoid to correct it later =).


 * Yes I saw for Jordan but game guide can be wrong sometimes so I will take a look directly on the game. Itachou [~talk~] 23:11, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

I check for Jordan Shea and I don't see the relation with the MJ-12 actually. A thug appeared on the streets when you talk about that with her it's true, but he is friendly and don't attack the player, and I don't think MJ-12 use "thugs". Itachou [~talk~] 23:31, September 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I saw that after, well, go ahead for write that on the page ;). Itachou [~talk~] 23:37, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

For them yes since they have two description, but for those that have only one, it's better to add it directly after the infobox.

Back of the backstory? It's about some Deus Ex details that can't be see in the game or more detailed? Anyway that sounds good, can you give me more details =)?

Good work for the SH-187 stealth helicopter. If you have some other vehicle, you can edit the page vehicle and add them, for find them more easily ;).

I go sleep but don't worry, I will reply tomorrow, good night and see you soon! Itachou [~talk~] 23:58, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

section for datacubes/books/news in IW?
Hello my friend ;)

Actually, an article already exist for that: Book.

All content need pages, and book or text content are not an exception, they are some book having already their pages, even those that can't be read by the player like "Daedalus Complex" and some books in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

For datacube adding some information like codes etc., I don't think they are necessary for now, books are more important and actually, many are missing here. Itachou [~talk~] 09:21, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah backstory is pretty good, thanks to add it in the Deus Ex page =). Itachou [~talk~] 09:21, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand
Well I don't understand my friend. On one side you do good, the other you do things completely incomprehensible that bothers me a lot.

Why you capitalized a non proper name here ? It's clearly write in the policies and guidelines that only proper name are capitalize.

Just a question, you really think this sentence is good?: "A UNATCO Soldier killed a NSF Terrorist with an Assault Rifle, but after, some other NSF Terrorists have come with Pistols, Sawed-Off Shotguns, Combat Knifes and Batons."

Here, why you change "concept art" to "unit"?:. Have you play Deus Ex: Invisible War? The holocomm is not like that, a keyboard is linked to it, there is not keyboard in this image. Itachou [~talk~] 12:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

You make too many mistake every time with some completely inattentive (Jordan Shea a Deus Ex weapons) and you correct some just after, I don't know it's for the editions account? This is not a race, it's not the one with the biggest score, it is best you apply to a correct numbers of editions, rather than trying to beat a record or something in botching your work (which seems to be the case, I've never seen anyone have as much trouble with the rules after "normally" - if you have read them each time - after reading them 3-4 times now). Next time, I will not be as nice. Itachou [~talk~] 12:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * In-game they are two entity due to game engine but I never seen a holocomm without the keyboard, so the two are one. Anyway, these mistake multiple times is not permitted, or you have a problem and you click too fast or you want to break a record. Take your time, don't click anywhere, it doesn't give you any good and now I ask myself many questions about you and your motivation here. Itachou [~talk~] 12:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Other things
Well I have something running on my mind. The descriptions you put on pages, they are from official guides I know but it's the complete description or just a passage or a rewriting. I'm afraid of something I did not notice. Itachou [~talk~] 13:37, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hum... well that was I thought, this is not good. Have you something like "All rights reserved, no part of this
 * guide may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or any means without permission from Prima Games" or something like :that in the first or second page? Itachou [~talk~] 13:43, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

In fact with all that we can have legal action even if it doesn't look very serious. I did not notice since it is not common to copy the contents of a game guide somewhere. With a reduced number, keeping the most important we will not have to worry about (like the backstory, Deus Ex plot), but I counted and there are more than thirty description, which can put us and put myself in difficulty (as I am now more or less responsible for the Wiki), with no defense. In fact, taking the information and adapt them with the text would be the best thing to do. Keeping the backstory and the Deus Ex plot would be passable. Itachou [~talk~] 13:56, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * For in-game is ok but from the game guide, we can't keep them sadly. Just 2-3 quoted yes but more not. Not to bother you but I have a friend that is lawyer, and say that justice is sometimes very dry, about anything. Itachou [~talk~] 14:11, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Text that can't be merge (like backstory) should be kept since they are interesting and we cannot do otherwise, I'd like to keep them. For the others, character etc. we have no choice but anyway, the information will not be lost as we merge and adapt them to this already. Itachou [~talk~] 14:33, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes do that =). In fact, if some information are about the Collapse also, you can also put some rewritten on it. Itachou [~talk~] 14:35, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

I saw your message on the talk page of Majestic-12 Frogman, I will try to take a good screen. Itachou [~talk~] 14:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

further articles (IW factions) that need Prima quotes removed/merged
Hello Eddo =)

It's done for sotfkey.

For the abbreviation for games, in fact we have a debate about that, your input would be appreciated ;): Forum:DX suffix. My opinion on this subject is somewhat neutral in fact as you will see.

For the items of Deus Ex: Invisible War yes I saw, we need an overview page like Blade and after a separate page with their in-game and not their name in the Deus Ex universe. Anyway, I will take care of that. Itachou [~talk~] 13:18, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, canon or not for cut content is not taken into account here, only ending and events is subject to canon. The Deus Ex world is very large and these bots and creatures can be somewhere where the player can't go (for exemple, the player in Deus Ex: Invisible War never go into water despite the devs have made a concept art for an aquatic bot, like flavor material for the Deus Ex universe). Itachou [~talk~] 13:28, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Mako Ballistics
For a background page like Mako Ballistics, only use the universe name and not in-game or something like "Pistol (DX2)". Itachou [~talk~] 19:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I leave a message on Talk:Mako Ballistics, that I also leave on your talk page before, but I think you don't noticed it ;). Itachou [~talk~] 21:00, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Devs haven't chosen to make a "proper canon", only to choose some events and the games' endings, so all other things are official part of the Deus Ex universe. Also personally, I don't very like canon, apart for events and endings. Itachou [~talk~] 21:22, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

add weapons to technology category?
Just wait my reply, you act too quickly. Technology category is a miscellaneous category only use for technological items like datacube or augmentations, not for weapons. I count on you to remove them to pages. Itachou [~talk~] 08:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a note, don't remove information on the background section even if they are already write on descriptions, description is just used as flavor material, background is more important and need all informations avalaible =). Itachou [~talk~] 10:43, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Cut content weapons and sections
Well for "personality & traits" and "powers & abilities", actually they are took into account in the background since background it's about everything on the character - personality, power (augmentations of all kind are already took in the infobox), history etc. and it's better since it avoids having x3000 different sections and it is more consistent with other articles since all characters can't have this kind of sections.

Thanks for other cut weapons of DX:IW, I will take care of them ;). Itachou [~talk~] 12:36, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Dragon's Tooth sword (DX)
The Dragon's Tooth sword of Deus Ex and the Dragon's Tooth sword of Deus Ex: Invisible War are not the same. Those of DX:IW is an old Dragon's Tooth sword re-created by JC Denton into a kind of energy blade during his dreams (since you acquired it during this). Itachou [~talk~] 08:36, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem =), since their name are extremly similar (and Dragon's Tooth sword is not really the name of the weapon of DX, in-game yes but it's a surname giving by the Triads to the non-eutactic blade, the name giving to the blade by their creator, MJ-12).


 * Anyway, I think the devs at the base had planned to do the same weapon, but may be due to time constraints, they abandoned this idea. Itachou [~talk~] 09:07, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I don't think it's really because system of acoustic sensors that the Triads use the dao, it's like the sword wear by the Garde républicaine in France, it's traditionnal and can be use for a traditionnal combat (since there is not system of acoustic sensors in the tunnel when some Red Arrow combat some Luminous Path).

Also in another point, the mass production of the non-eutactic blade is never seen in-game and since Tracer Tong left the Luminous Path, I think their results were not achieved very far. Itachou [~talk~] 09:19, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the dao, I took care of the page. For the non-eutactic blade anyway, Jaime Reyes only come if JC Denton tell him to left UNATCO and Alex left the Luminous Path for the Morgan Everett's Residence, so I don't think it was his first goal, contrary to Tracer Tong. Itachou [~talk~] 09:30, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just a note but the infobox character will be modified soon and the weapon section will be removed, to put a specific inventory infobox on the page. Anyway if you want, you can continue to put them until the infobox comes. Itachou [~talk~] 12:15, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem =). Also, I saw "New Chicago" on the Tarsus Academy page, but I give my reason for why I don't want to see "New Chicago" unlike New Cairo here: Talk:Chicago, so why you write it?


 * If it is because I said to you after you have written is not an excuse, before making something important that take into account the background, please talk to me absolutely, they are differences that make the Wiki less professional and after some people don't take seriously the information contained here, despite we have the most reliable information about Deus Ex. Itachou [~talk~] 12:46, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

"New" about city may be a way of talking, speaking of the rebirth of the city, but anyway in-game informations take over manuals and guides if the game is contradicted, and since I never saw Chicago called "New Chicago" in-game (contrary to New Cairo for exemple), like I said New Chicago is probably an oversight of the devs keep on the manual after creating the game.

Otherwise, if you find something in-game about "New Chicago", it will not be the same. Itachou [~talk~] 13:00, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * After read the A personal invitation to AlexD, from Tarsus Academies, actually New Chicago is the WTO enclave of Chicago, like New Cairo is the WTO enclave of Cairo and Upper Seattle is the WTO enclave of Seattle, so I guess almost all cities in 2072 have their old pre-Collapse part and the new post-Collapse part. You can create a New Chicago page if you want but keep Chicago like we kept Seattle on pages. It's just a part of a city, not a new city. Itachou [~talk~] 13:05, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blank Picture
Hi. The image Energyblade_IW.jpg on this page is blank for me. Is there something wrong with the image? --1337garda 16:06, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I've had a better look at things; I'm pretty sure that it's just getting blocked by my web proxy and the page itself is fine. --1337garda 16:34, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

New Chicago
Agree, since Chicago doesn't appeared playable, the New Chicago page will be almost empty. Itachou [~talk~] 16:50, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wo nice image, yeah in fact I know this render of the HS-66 Hunter-Seeker bot, it is used in a wallpaper of Deus Ex: Invisible War but I never really looked.


 * But anyway, the HS-66 Hunter-Seeker bot is mentioned in the Panzerwerks Catalog in-game and so it was probably the first idea to make it a Mako Ballistics bot before the devs change their mind.


 * Thanks for the link =), after check, the "Sinks and Etc.", "Early Security Bot", "CC-75 Security Bot" are extremely rare since I never saw it before and I follow all Deus Ex games development and I really patrol the net for find stuff. I will upload them tomorrow before they are lost forever.


 * Also, I saw your message on the Eidos Forum, good luck, those informations will be a great addition to the Deus Ex Wiki if we can get ;). Itachou [~talk~] 21:48, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

It's the old official website of the game right? Well, if it's like Deus Ex and the UNATCO dossier, some stuff can be nice anyway, even if we have many information coming from various official source that probably already includes as you say. Itachou [~talk~] 21:54, September 8, 2011 (UTC)